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【键盘侠】哈登交易方案出炉|若交易成行 76人立马跻身争冠行列?

[Weitzman] Re: Sixers-Harden negotiations: I'm told the Rockets have asked the Sixers for 3 first round picks in addition to Ben Simmons. As many others have reported, the Sixers so far have been unwilling to include Simmons in any proposals.

记者Yaron Weitzman日前报道,火箭已经向76人提出了哈登换本-西蒙斯以及三个首轮签的交易方案。

但是据目前多个消息源透露,76人无意在任何交易中交易本-西蒙斯。

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[–]dropdatdurkadurk 221 指標 16小時前

This is why the harden stuff has stalled nobody is making a serious offer. I don’t actually buy any of this “Houston is insisting they won’t move harden right now unless it’s for a god father offer”. If Simmons was on the table this would have gotten done I bet the 3 picks could be negotiated down to 2 but nobody has been willing to make a serious push yet.

也难怪哈登一直都走不了,因为没人在好好报价啊。“休斯顿坚称除非有神级报价,不然不会立马放走哈登”这种话我还真不信。如果西蒙斯摆上货架,那这笔交易应该能成,不过我觉得三个首轮应该会砍到两个,但是目前还没有球队乐意好好推动这笔交易。

[–]Raptors blafricanadian 114 指標 15小時前

For an NBA subreddit it’s crazy that nobody realizes that all this is because of giannis. If giannis signed the max, harden will be traded in days

猛龙球迷:这可是个NBA论坛啊,难道没人想明白这一切都是因为字母哥吗?如果字母哥顶薪续约了,哈登用不了几天就会离队。

[–][PHI] Jumaine Jones ronaldo119 10 指標 15小時前

for what reason?

76人球迷:怎么说哦?

[–]Raptors blafricanadian 15 指標 15小時前

Everyone with the assets and the need is holding out for giannis.

The signing frees up Toronto, Miami and Dallas to pursue other avenues.

猛龙球迷:那些有资产也有需求的球队都在留着筹码等字母哥那边的动静。

只有字母哥留队,猛龙、热火和独行侠才有心思考虑其他选项。

[–]dropdatdurkadurk 87 指標 15小時前

I mean how many teams are holding out cap space for 2021 with Giannis who have any kind of prayer of signing him. Dallas, Toronto, and Miami. Is that it?

How many of those teams have shown actual interest in Harden? Maybe Miami. Maybe Toronto has inquired and we dont know about it. That's it.

Philly isnt in the Giannis sweepstakes. Brooklyn isnt. I can see Miami offering more if Giannis were to sign but any deal that is based around Tyler Herro just isnt enticing to Houston it's more a last resort type option only ahead of Brooklyn's package. And if Toronto isnt willing to offer Siakam it's the same thing.

那到底有多少球队留着薪资空间指望能在21年签下字母哥呢?独行侠、猛龙和热火,就这些吧?

那又有多少球队真正表露出了对哈登的兴趣呢?或许是热火。也许猛龙也询价过,但我们不得而知。就这。

费城不会梭哈字母哥,布鲁克林也不会。如果字母哥真续约了,那我觉得热火应该会为哈登提供更高的报价,但是各种基于希罗的报价对火箭真没那么大吸引力。猛龙的情况也一样,他们不愿意出手西亚卡姆。

[–]FFFreak99940 指標 15小時前

Sixers have some leverage here.

No point to trade Simmons before the season starts. Play out the first third of the season and see what happens. Ben Simmons is only 24 people.

When the Sixers had shooters around Ben and Joel they were dirty.

Harden just seems super selfish and I don’t like the way he plays. It’s a literally iso‘s down the floor.

I’ll give you Tobias and Danny Green for harden

76人还是掌握主动的。

赛季还没开始呢,现在就交易西蒙斯没有意义。先打完三分之一赛程再看呗。要知道本西才24啊。

他和恩比德周围搭配一群射手的时候,76人还是很变态的。

感觉哈登打法超级自私,我不喜欢他的风格,基本就是单打到底。

不过可以用哈里斯和铁林去换哈登。

[–]Kings nhess68 31 指標 15小時前

They are lucky to just get Simmons. They have 0 leverage seeing as Harden is forcing his way out to the best of his abilities.

国王球迷:要是能用哈登单换西蒙斯都算火箭走运。他们一点筹码都没,因为是哈登费尽心思地想走人。

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[–]NBA ImWaySmarterThanUlol 39 指標 16小時前

 76ers have done so well with ben simmons, wouldn't want to trade him away and miss out on those championships

有西蒙斯的76人打得多好啊,他们才不想放他走呢,不然得少拿好几个冠军(¬◡¬)

[–][PHI] Joel Embiid rahbee33 273 指標 16小時前

Really looking forward to all of Harden's championship experience.

76人球迷:那我倒是蛮期待哈登那些“冠军”经验的

[–]76ers Immynimmy 50 指標 15小時前

Lol he's only 24. He still has another decade of play give or take. I don't expect him to become a sharpshooter in the playoffs but at least he has a team that's better suited for his play style and strengths. You could argue this team is a better fit than the Butler Sixers (even though that team was much more talented cause of Jimmy)

76人球迷:哈哈哈,本西才24啊,差不多还能再打个十年吧。我不指望他能在季后赛变得神准,可至少我76人更适合他的打法和优点。现在的76人比巴特勒时期更为融洽,这话没啥毛病吧。

[–]Lakers Trumppered 8 指標 15小時前

eh I agree he has a long career ahead of him but I also feel pretty strongly that we've seen enough from Ben + Embiid to believe they just don't work well together in a playoff environment.

Harden + Embiid on the other hand might be the closest thing to Kobe + Shaq we will ever see, and feels like it would be an instant contender.

湖人球迷:呃,你说西蒙斯的职业生涯还早,我同意,不过我同样也强烈感觉,本西和恩比德的搭档咱们已经看够了,到了季后赛,他俩一起就是成不了事。

要是哈登搭档恩比德,那或许是最接近OK组合的存在,搞不好76人能立马跻身争冠行列。

[–]76ersInfraction94 38 指標 14小時前

Simmons and Embiid lineups when surrounded with shooters have statistically been some of the best lineups in the NBA. The issues in the past have been an atrocious bench or surrounding the two with players that don't fit at all.

76人球迷:过往已经有数据可以证明,本西和恩比德再加上射手群,这就是NBA顶尖阵容。我们之前的问题在于板凳太菜,要不就是辅助角色和两位核心不搭。

[–]husam-hanieh 64 指標 16小時前

Better than whatever the fuck Simmons has to offer in the playoffs.

哈登再怎么说也特么好过季后赛的西蒙斯。

[–]76ers CRUSTBUSTICUS 29 指標 14小時前

Hardens shot turns into Ben Simmons shot in playoff crunch time lmao.

76人球迷:呵呵呵呵,哈登的篮子到了季后赛关键时刻不一样本西化了嘛。

[–]Celtics KGBetterDuncan 22 指標 15小時前

This exactly lol, people keep talking about Harden as if he guarantees a finals appearance. He’s not proven himself like Kawhi, LeBron, and Steph have.

凯尔特人球迷:就是,哈哈哈,别说得好像得到哈登就能稳进总决赛一样。他还没有像小卡、詹姆斯和库里一样证明过自己。

[–]patssix 94 指標 16小時前

Harden is a way better player than Simmons ainec, the sixers would be lucky to have him

哈登比西蒙斯强太多好嘛,要是能搞到他,76人可得偷着乐。

[–]Suns Goodbadfugly 540 指標 16小時前

Harden and Embiid would be such a filthy combo.

太阳球迷:恩比德加哈登的组合应该会非常变态的。

[–]Nuggets dilbertsfriend 7 指標 12小時前

This is why I don’t get why people are saying this is a horrible trade. He’s a good fit when Simmons probably isn’t and any first round pick would be late anyway. Maybe 2 picks instead of 3 though

掘金球迷:所以我不明白为啥会有人说哈登换本西加三个首轮划不来啊。他和恩比德很搭,这也许是本西做不到的。不过或许再搭两个首轮才正常。

[–]76ersthefreeman419 361 指標 16小時前*

Embiid would have room in the paint he never dreamed of seeing prior to this.

The potentially spacing with Harden, Green, Seth and Tobias is nuts.

76人球迷:要真成了,恩比德就能获得他以前从未想过的内线空间。

哈登、格林、塞斯-库里和哈里斯在场的话,那进攻空间不得起飞啊。

[–]Thunder revisioncloud 201 指標 15小時前

Harden was being double teamed at half court all season last year. If that doesn't space things, I don't know what will.

Or vice versa, Embiid frees up Harden. And that is either an automatic bucket or trip to the ft line.

雷霆球迷:上赛季整个赛季哈登刚过半场就会被包夹。如果这都不能拉开空间,那我不知道怎么搞了。

反之也成立,恩比德能解放哈登。对方要么送分要么送罚球。

[–]76er ProfitLemon 16 指標 13小時前

Embiid was doubled in the post every possession this year. There just aren’t enough defenders on the court to guard Embiid and Harden together as long as the other three players can shoot

76人球迷:恩比德今年季后赛每个回合都被包夹。只要其他三个人有篮子,那对手就没那么多防守人同时去防恩比德和哈登。

[–]Lakers LOVEGOD77 20 指標 16小時前

For like 3 years though, if harden didn’t have a 3 in his age this would be a no brainer

湖人球迷:可问题是哈登也用不了几年啊,如果他不到30,这笔交易还真不必犹豫。

[–]AsstToTheMrManager 5 指標 10小時前

why are you assuming harden won't be any good at 34?

你凭啥说哈登到了34岁就不行了呢?

[–][DAL] Jamal Mashburn havealooksee 3 指標 10小時前

That's Embiid's prime, so I think it is still a no brainer. Philly isn't getting a better shot a ring than this.

独行侠球迷:到那时候可是恩比德的巅峰期啊,所以我觉得哪怕是这个年纪的哈登76人也不该犹豫。这是76人最好的争冠机会,错过了就没了。

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[–]Buffalo Bravesdkdoki 14 指標 14小時前

Are ppl over rating simmons or under rating harden? Bc that seems like a fair deal to me

咱们到底是高看西蒙斯了呢?还是低估哈登了呢?因为我觉得这个交易方案很合理啊

[–]sciregian 13 指標 12小時前

For next two years it’s fair, but Simmons is locked on a long term deal and hasn’t hit his prime, and Harden would probably leave when his contract is up in two years. It’s a question of risking organic long term growth for short term success.

只看未来两个赛季,是很合理,可是西蒙斯是有长约在身的,而且他还没到巅峰期,但是两年后哈登合同到期或许会走人的。这就看76人是否愿意为了短期成功打乱长期规划。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry voldemortscore 34 指標 16小時前

I've been critical of the Sixers not trading Simmons but I wouldn't do this deal with the picks.

勇士球迷:之前76人不愿意送走西蒙斯我是很看不惯的,但现在这个交易方案换成我的话,是不愿意搭上三个首轮签的。

[–]Rockets BFWinner 148 指標 16小時前

Just don’t trade Harden until the off season. Make him play

火箭球迷:暂时不交易哈登,还是先让他打着呗。

[–]luffythechefghoul 13 指標 14小時前

I just want this saga to end with Harden being traded to a team like Sacramento or Hornets

我就希望这出闹剧最后的结局是哈登被送到国王或黄蜂这种队。

[–][PHI] Eric Snow gustriandos 101 指標 16小時前

How about they meet in the middle at Simmons and 0 picks

76人球迷:要不双方各让一步,76人送出西蒙斯,火箭不要首轮签。

[–]Kings StaffordComeback 1 指標 16小時前

They would definitely do a straight swap despite all the posturing.

国王球迷:别看76人现在姿态摆的这么高,要是不搭选秀签,他们肯定乐意。

[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 50 指標 16小時前

The Rockets would be better off going the AD route if that's the best offer they get. Wait out this season, play Harden sparingly, and then trade him to a team that strikes out in FA. A straight Harden for Simmons swap is a bad trade for Houston.

凯尔特人球迷:火箭应该学学鹈鹕当年处理戴维斯的手段。先打完这个赛季,省着用哈登,到了休赛期再把他送走。现在单换西蒙斯不划算。

[–]76ers SonicdaSloth 28 指標 15小時前

James harden is 32 next summer. You arent getting an AD package for him

76人球迷:哈登明年夏天都32了,还指望能像戴维斯那样换个大礼包回来啊?

[–]Maverickskillbill469 30 指標 15小時前

I do think Houston should wait, but I really don't think a straight Simmons-Harden swap is bad for Houston. You're trading a top 5 player for a 24 year old dude who is probably a top 15 player with very realistic potential to being a top 5-10 player. They don't need to do anything now, but I definitely don't think that would be a bad trade.

独行侠球迷:我还真觉得火箭可以等等,但是单换西蒙斯也还可以。毕竟是用一个联盟前五的球星去换一个只有24岁,或许目前是前15但很有可能成长为联前5到前10的球员。

[–]76ers BlurpedWithTheHammer 8 指標 12小時前

Rockets fans don't want to do it, and I think Sixers fans are pretty leery about the possibility also, so it might be a fair deal.

76人球迷:火蜜觉得单换吃亏啊,而且我觉得我们76人球迷也不大感冒,所以单换搞不好还很合理。

[–]slv_bull 28 指標 15小時前

The odds of Embiid and Harden imploding after a season is so high. They'd likely trade Ben this offseason then have to move either Embiid or Harden after the season.

哈登和恩比德在一个赛季之后闹掰的可能性还是蛮高的。76人要是现在送走了西蒙斯,那明年休赛期搞不好就得在哈登和恩比德之间二选一了。

[–]LegendaryCichlid 37 指標 16小時前

As both a Philly fan and a Harden follower, the rockets just gonna keep his ass there and let him pout.

Simmons is not equal value and the Rockets are not going to trade their showpiece for a guy who might one day transcend.

作为一名喜欢哈登的76人蜜,我觉得火箭还是先把这货留着吧,不高兴就随他去。

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[–]Lakers Ace_FGC 625 指標 16小時前

People are saying too many picks like it’s not James harden. Lakers gave up 3 fore AD

湖人球迷:很多人都说火箭要的选秀签太多了,可这是哈登啊。我湖当初为了戴维斯都送了三个。

[–]Lakersmantur200 99 指標 16小時前

harden is 31 and you will have to max him for 5 years in 2 years time, it's not the same situation, also ad isn't a better player, but he fits everywhere more easily

if i'm philly i'm not giving up more than simmons, there isn't a better offer on the market anyway

湖人球迷:哈登已经31了,而且你还得在两年内和他签下五年顶薪,这和戴维斯的情况不一样,虽说戴维斯不见得比哈登更强,但他的适配性更强。

换做是我的话,最多用西蒙斯单换哈登,反正市场上也没有更好的报价。

[–]Wizards livefreeordont 7 指標 14小時前

Which team does Harden not fit? He can guard 2-4, shoot, dribble, pass, and draw fouls. Which team doesn’t want that?

奇才球迷:那你倒是说说哈登的适配性怎么就不行了?他可以防2到4号位,能投能带能传,还能造犯规。哪支球队不想要这种球员?

[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 84 指標 16小時前

Embiid is an injury prone, huge, soon to 27 year old big man. Every year that he's healthy in the playoffs is a blessing. The sixers window to win with Embiid is now.

凯尔特人球迷:而且恩比德这种大个也太玻璃了,马上就27了。他能健康地参加季后赛都算是老天爷赏脸了。76人借助恩比德争冠的窗口期就是现在。

[–]76ers Hesi_Timbo 31 指標 13小時前

Which is why we built a roster around Simmons and Embiid. Panic selling our only guy who's young and healthy for a 2 year rental of a dude who clearly has locker room issues is how you get 1 semifinals loss and then Joel leaving Philly.

76人球迷:所以我们才会围绕恩比德和西蒙斯搭建阵容啊。为了一个明显有更衣室问题的两年短工,就恐慌性卖掉我们队内唯一一个年轻且健康的球星,结果只会是东部半决赛输球之后恩比德离队。

[–][PHI] Jeff Ruland Fhsjdjfhf 103 指標 16小時前

Simmons has much more value than any of the Lakers young players did at the time. Harden also isn't specifically forcing his way to Philly like AD was to LA.

76人球迷:况且西蒙斯现在的价值比湖人当初用来换戴维斯的任何年轻人都大得多。哈登也没有像戴维斯当初非湖人不去一样一门心思要来我费城。

[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 310 指標 16小時前

Harden may be worth those picks, but Philly only has to beat the best offers from other teams. I think Simmons alone is the best asset anyone can/will offer. If they add one pick to him it should be enough.

热火球迷:或许哈登配得上那几个选秀签,但是现在76人只需要提供优于其他球队的报价就行。我觉得光是西蒙斯一个人就够了。再加一个选秀签,那更是够够的。

[–]ElFuddLe 137 指標 16小時前

Not necessarily. Houston may decide to just let Harden play if no offer is good enough.

还真不一定。要是没有足够诱人的报价,休斯顿或许会让哈登继续留队。

[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 57 指標 16小時前

Definitely true. But that’s a risk as well. Rockets could implode and there’s no guarantees the offers stay the same or improve.

热火球迷:这是肯定的。不过这也很冒险啊。火箭搞不好会内乱,而且谁也不好说以后还能不能得到同样或者更高的报价。

[–]Rockets WALLS_ROCKETS 138 指標 16小時前

Do you think that rockets believe they are still championship contenders? The answer is no. It’s pretty accepted among the fan base at least. The deals offered are terrible and would set the rockets back years. You 100% take the risk at this point of keeping him and hope better offers come. People just want us to trade him so bad right now

火箭球迷:难道你觉得我火还觉得自己是争冠队伍吗?答案是否定的。至少我们火蜜已经接受了这个现实。目前的报价都不行,要是成了也会让我火倒退好几年。那肯定得冒险留下他然后寄希望于更好的报价出现。很多人就是巴不得我们立马送走哈登。

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