[Weitzman] Re: Sixers-Harden negotiations: I'm told the Rockets have asked the Sixers for 3 first round picks in addition to Ben Simmons. As many others have reported, the Sixers so far have been unwilling to include Simmons in any proposals.
[–]dropdatdurkadurk 221 指標 16小時前
This is why the harden stuff has stalled nobody is making a serious offer. I don’t actually buy any of this “Houston is insisting they won’t move harden right now unless it’s for a god father offer”. If Simmons was on the table this would have gotten done I bet the 3 picks could be negotiated down to 2 but nobody has been willing to make a serious push yet.
[–]Raptors blafricanadian 114 指標 15小時前
For an NBA subreddit it’s crazy that nobody realizes that all this is because of giannis. If giannis signed the max, harden will be traded in days
[–][PHI] Jumaine Jones ronaldo119 10 指標 15小時前
for what reason?
[–]Raptors blafricanadian 15 指標 15小時前
Everyone with the assets and the need is holding out for giannis.
The signing frees up Toronto, Miami and Dallas to pursue other avenues.
[–]dropdatdurkadurk 87 指標 15小時前
I mean how many teams are holding out cap space for 2021 with Giannis who have any kind of prayer of signing him. Dallas, Toronto, and Miami. Is that it?
How many of those teams have shown actual interest in Harden? Maybe Miami. Maybe Toronto has inquired and we dont know about it. That's it.
Philly isnt in the Giannis sweepstakes. Brooklyn isnt. I can see Miami offering more if Giannis were to sign but any deal that is based around Tyler Herro just isnt enticing to Houston it's more a last resort type option only ahead of Brooklyn's package. And if Toronto isnt willing to offer Siakam it's the same thing.
[–]FFFreak99940 指標 15小時前
Sixers have some leverage here.
No point to trade Simmons before the season starts. Play out the first third of the season and see what happens. Ben Simmons is only 24 people.
When the Sixers had shooters around Ben and Joel they were dirty.
Harden just seems super selfish and I don’t like the way he plays. It’s a literally iso‘s down the floor.
I’ll give you Tobias and Danny Green for harden
[–]Kings nhess68 31 指標 15小時前
They are lucky to just get Simmons. They have 0 leverage seeing as Harden is forcing his way out to the best of his abilities.
[–]NBA ImWaySmarterThanUlol 39 指標 16小時前
76ers have done so well with ben simmons, wouldn't want to trade him away and miss out on those championships
[–][PHI] Joel Embiid rahbee33 273 指標 16小時前
Really looking forward to all of Harden's championship experience.
[–]76ers Immynimmy 50 指標 15小時前
Lol he's only 24. He still has another decade of play give or take. I don't expect him to become a sharpshooter in the playoffs but at least he has a team that's better suited for his play style and strengths. You could argue this team is a better fit than the Butler Sixers (even though that team was much more talented cause of Jimmy)
[–]Lakers Trumppered 8 指標 15小時前
eh I agree he has a long career ahead of him but I also feel pretty strongly that we've seen enough from Ben + Embiid to believe they just don't work well together in a playoff environment.
Harden + Embiid on the other hand might be the closest thing to Kobe + Shaq we will ever see, and feels like it would be an instant contender.
[–]76ersInfraction94 38 指標 14小時前
Simmons and Embiid lineups when surrounded with shooters have statistically been some of the best lineups in the NBA. The issues in the past have been an atrocious bench or surrounding the two with players that don't fit at all.
[–]husam-hanieh 64 指標 16小時前
Better than whatever the fuck Simmons has to offer in the playoffs.
[–]76ers CRUSTBUSTICUS 29 指標 14小時前
Hardens shot turns into Ben Simmons shot in playoff crunch time lmao.
[–]Celtics KGBetterDuncan 22 指標 15小時前
This exactly lol, people keep talking about Harden as if he guarantees a finals appearance. He’s not proven himself like Kawhi, LeBron, and Steph have.
[–]patssix 94 指標 16小時前
Harden is a way better player than Simmons ainec, the sixers would be lucky to have him
[–]Suns Goodbadfugly 540 指標 16小時前
Harden and Embiid would be such a filthy combo.
[–]Nuggets dilbertsfriend 7 指標 12小時前
This is why I don’t get why people are saying this is a horrible trade. He’s a good fit when Simmons probably isn’t and any first round pick would be late anyway. Maybe 2 picks instead of 3 though
[–]76ersthefreeman419 361 指標 16小時前*
Embiid would have room in the paint he never dreamed of seeing prior to this.
The potentially spacing with Harden, Green, Seth and Tobias is nuts.
[–]Thunder revisioncloud 201 指標 15小時前
Harden was being double teamed at half court all season last year. If that doesn't space things, I don't know what will.
Or vice versa, Embiid frees up Harden. And that is either an automatic bucket or trip to the ft line.
[–]76er ProfitLemon 16 指標 13小時前
Embiid was doubled in the post every possession this year. There just aren’t enough defenders on the court to guard Embiid and Harden together as long as the other three players can shoot
[–]Lakers LOVEGOD77 20 指標 16小時前
For like 3 years though, if harden didn’t have a 3 in his age this would be a no brainer
[–]AsstToTheMrManager 5 指標 10小時前
why are you assuming harden won't be any good at 34?
[–][DAL] Jamal Mashburn havealooksee 3 指標 10小時前
That's Embiid's prime, so I think it is still a no brainer. Philly isn't getting a better shot a ring than this.
[–]Buffalo Bravesdkdoki 14 指標 14小時前
Are ppl over rating simmons or under rating harden? Bc that seems like a fair deal to me
[–]sciregian 13 指標 12小時前
For next two years it’s fair, but Simmons is locked on a long term deal and hasn’t hit his prime, and Harden would probably leave when his contract is up in two years. It’s a question of risking organic long term growth for short term success.
[–][GSW] Stephen Curry voldemortscore 34 指標 16小時前
I've been critical of the Sixers not trading Simmons but I wouldn't do this deal with the picks.
[–]Rockets BFWinner 148 指標 16小時前
Just don’t trade Harden until the off season. Make him play
[–]luffythechefghoul 13 指標 14小時前
I just want this saga to end with Harden being traded to a team like Sacramento or Hornets
[–][PHI] Eric Snow gustriandos 101 指標 16小時前
How about they meet in the middle at Simmons and 0 picks
[–]Kings StaffordComeback 1 指標 16小時前
They would definitely do a straight swap despite all the posturing.
[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 50 指標 16小時前
The Rockets would be better off going the AD route if that's the best offer they get. Wait out this season, play Harden sparingly, and then trade him to a team that strikes out in FA. A straight Harden for Simmons swap is a bad trade for Houston.
[–]76ers SonicdaSloth 28 指標 15小時前
James harden is 32 next summer. You arent getting an AD package for him
[–]Maverickskillbill469 30 指標 15小時前
I do think Houston should wait, but I really don't think a straight Simmons-Harden swap is bad for Houston. You're trading a top 5 player for a 24 year old dude who is probably a top 15 player with very realistic potential to being a top 5-10 player. They don't need to do anything now, but I definitely don't think that would be a bad trade.
[–]76ers BlurpedWithTheHammer 8 指標 12小時前
Rockets fans don't want to do it, and I think Sixers fans are pretty leery about the possibility also, so it might be a fair deal.
[–]slv_bull 28 指標 15小時前
The odds of Embiid and Harden imploding after a season is so high. They'd likely trade Ben this offseason then have to move either Embiid or Harden after the season.
[–]LegendaryCichlid 37 指標 16小時前
As both a Philly fan and a Harden follower, the rockets just gonna keep his ass there and let him pout.
Simmons is not equal value and the Rockets are not going to trade their showpiece for a guy who might one day transcend.
[–]Lakers Ace_FGC 625 指標 16小時前
People are saying too many picks like it’s not James harden. Lakers gave up 3 fore AD
[–]Lakersmantur200 99 指標 16小時前
harden is 31 and you will have to max him for 5 years in 2 years time, it's not the same situation, also ad isn't a better player, but he fits everywhere more easily
if i'm philly i'm not giving up more than simmons, there isn't a better offer on the market anyway
[–]Wizards livefreeordont 7 指標 14小時前
Which team does Harden not fit? He can guard 2-4, shoot, dribble, pass, and draw fouls. Which team doesn’t want that?
[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 84 指標 16小時前
Embiid is an injury prone, huge, soon to 27 year old big man. Every year that he's healthy in the playoffs is a blessing. The sixers window to win with Embiid is now.
[–]76ers Hesi_Timbo 31 指標 13小時前
Which is why we built a roster around Simmons and Embiid. Panic selling our only guy who's young and healthy for a 2 year rental of a dude who clearly has locker room issues is how you get 1 semifinals loss and then Joel leaving Philly.
[–][PHI] Jeff Ruland Fhsjdjfhf 103 指標 16小時前
Simmons has much more value than any of the Lakers young players did at the time. Harden also isn't specifically forcing his way to Philly like AD was to LA.
[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 310 指標 16小時前
Harden may be worth those picks, but Philly only has to beat the best offers from other teams. I think Simmons alone is the best asset anyone can/will offer. If they add one pick to him it should be enough.
[–]ElFuddLe 137 指標 16小時前
Not necessarily. Houston may decide to just let Harden play if no offer is good enough.
[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 57 指標 16小時前
Definitely true. But that’s a risk as well. Rockets could implode and there’s no guarantees the offers stay the same or improve.
[–]Rockets WALLS_ROCKETS 138 指標 16小時前
Do you think that rockets believe they are still championship contenders? The answer is no. It’s pretty accepted among the fan base at least. The deals offered are terrible and would set the rockets back years. You 100% take the risk at this point of keeping him and hope better offers come. People just want us to trade him so bad right now